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oagostinho

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What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 5:42 AM
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Hi,

What will happen with your book with this new version of ASP.net MVC preview 2?

Thanks a lot!
Orlando Agostinho

jeffreypalermo


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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:39 PM   in response to: oagostinho in response to: oagostinho
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We'll update the book. We'll have to update again when the RTM comes as well (and many times along the way)

EKinateder

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Apr 2, 2008 4:00 PM   in response to: oagostinho in response to: oagostinho
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I'm thinking about buying the EAP book. What sort of progress is being made on this book? I've been watching the TOC page for a month or so and it doesn't seem like many chapters have been completed. I understand that ASP.NET MVC is still in it's infancy (more like... being developed as we speak!), but I'm curious as to what the author's current progress and thoughts are? I know both are busy software developers with blogs and families, but I'm trying to get their expert opinion on the viability of ASP.NET MVC and their lack of progress sort of worries me (about ASP.NET MVC).

jeffreypalermo


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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Apr 2, 2008 5:00 PM   in response to: EKinateder in response to: EKinateder
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The MVC Framework status dictates the progress on the book. We are about half-way done with the manuscript, but all the chapters aren't released on the MEAP. This is still very early. Expect much more as summer hits.

Regards,
Jeffrey Palermo

EKinateder

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Apr 3, 2008 5:06 PM   in response to: jeffreypalermo in response to: jeffreypalermo
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OK, cool.

I ordered the book along with a Silverlight book (which I'm hoping becomes the future of web development) and a jQuery book (and like 3 other Manning Press books... my favorite .NET book publisher). Do you guys plan on using or covering a bit of jQuery (as it relates to ASP.NET MVC) in the book?

ben.scheirman


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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Apr 3, 2008 10:18 PM   in response to: EKinateder in response to: EKinateder
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Yes, the ajax chapter (coming to MEAP next week hopefully) uses jquery for all of the examples.

Currently there isn't much jquery outside of that, however.

James Fleming

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Nov 28, 2009 6:30 PM   in response to: jeffreypalermo in response to: jeffreypalermo
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I'm sure you're quite busy, but a Preview 2 version would be most helpful. I've spent 8+ hours just trying to work my way past the version issues. I've learned more about project conversions than I have about MVC...

grantpalin

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Dec 14, 2009 4:40 PM   in response to: oagostinho in response to: oagostinho
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I have a related question. I am looking at material for learning MVC, to hopefully start with it early in the new year. Given that an early version of MVC2 is kicking around now, I am slightly wary of purchasing a book written for v1. If I buy this book, is it still going to be relevant when MVC2 is finished and released?

ben.scheirman


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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM   in response to: grantpalin in response to: grantpalin
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I think you'll still find value with v1. MVC2 really just adds on a few foundational features. The content in ASP.NET MVC in Action is still mostly relevant.

If you look at the Release Notes for MVC 2 Beta, you should get what you need.

Keep in mind that there is no release date for VS 2010, and MVC 2 will be a part of that. No books will be out for MVC 2 until after that date, so ask yourself if you can wait that long.

EKinateder

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 2:56 PM   in response to: grantpalin in response to: grantpalin
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re: grantpalin

It appears that the authors of this book have already started on version 2 of this good book. You can follow the progress here [1].

I know from past experience that Manning Press usually offers discounts on purchases of a second edition if you have purchased the first edition through their website. I'm pretty sure I got a 50% off coupon offer when the second edition of C# In Depth was announced. I know that Manning takes care of it's customers and if you're on file as purchasing a book from their website, they usually give you a discount on the second edition when it's announced.

I finished the book recently and thought it was a good intermediate to advanced book. My personal opinion is that it's not really a beginner's book. If you're new to ASP.NET or ASP.NET MVC I think your first book should be Steve Sandersen's Pro ASP.NET MVC Framework book. If you're looking for a cheaper option to get started with ASP.NET MVC, you could read the first chapter of Professional ASP.NET MVC. It's a 185 page end-to-end tutorial that covers the basics of ASP.NET MVC. [2]

I'm looking forward to the second edition and I'll sign up for the MEAP as soon as it's announced!


[1] http://jeffreypalermo.com/blog/mvc-2-in-action-book-conducting-public-reviews/

[2] http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2009/03/10/free-asp-net-mvc-ebook-tutorial.aspx

grantpalin

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 5:04 PM   in response to: EKinateder in response to: EKinateder
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Thanks for the responses. I'll say that I am new to MVC, but not to ASP.NET. I've read some high-level intros to MVC, but have not gotten really into it yet. I appreciate the reasoning behind it, and basically grasp the difference between MVC and WebForms.

I've downloaded the free chapter from Pro ASP.NET MVC - will go through that first. I've also purchased the MVC in Action ebook, and will work with that afterwards. I suspect I'll wait for the second edition to buy a print version. I don't doubt that it is good, but I am wary of purchasing a print book now when it may be replaced in several months.

EKinateder

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 8:56 PM   in response to: grantpalin in response to: grantpalin
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That sounds like it will work out well.

The reason I suggest some sort of primer to ASP.NET MVC before reading ASP.NET MVC in Action (this book) is because in my opinion it's a collection of best practices and exploration of subjects that aren't necessarily apart of the base ASP.NET framework. In my opinion that takes nothing away from this book, it's just something that might confuse someone who is new to ASP.NET MVC. I glanced at the table of contents for the second edition of the book and it looks like they're re-arranging content to provide the basic exploration of the base framework before they go wild and introduce all the fun and useful stuff (inversion of control, other view engines, using nhibernate, best practices, etc).

If you've purchased the ebook for this book, I'm pretty sure you'll get a discount offer on the MEAP for the second edition of this book whenever it's officially announced by Manning. At least that's what I'm hoping for... If not, Manning usually offers decent discounts on their books if you follow their Twitter account or signup for their email newsletter.

I probably end up buying more ebooks than I should because of their discounts! The way I figure it is that they save a bundle by not having to pay for manufacturing and shipping costs, I save a good amount on my purchase, and in a couple of years the book doesn't end up in a landfill..... :)

jeffreypalermo


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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 10:01 PM   in response to: EKinateder in response to: EKinateder
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We have started work on the 2nd edition. The 2nd edition is expanding to include a Part 1 that is geared toward MVC beginners. Then part 2 and part 3 get progressively more advanced. You can track the progress here:
http://github.com/jeffreypalermo/mvc2inaction

You can also get raw manuscript of ASP.NET MVC in Action (1st edition) on the project site for the 2nd edition.

Regards,
Jeffrey Palermo

grantpalin

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Re: What about ASP.NET MVC Preview 2?
Posted: Jan 11, 2010 12:51 AM   in response to: EKinateder in response to: EKinateder
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I have what I need to get started, except the time needed to dig in. Can't buy that anywhere :) Will try to get a start with the reading this week!

I do follow Manning on Twitter, and have bought a number of ebooks before - they have plenty of my money! They have a good selection of books, and the discounts don't hurt.

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